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[tootall]

Another thing we need to discuss is safety and how best to go about engaging in battle. For example, going over the top.
When the troops hop up out of the trench and run through no-mans-land, what is going to be the results. I think we need to preplan the out come. When to fire, how much to fire and how far.
Think about it and put yourself in both positions and how would you see it.

[Oberst18]

i think minimum engagment distance should be 10 yards for rifles while attacking, and 3yards while defending the same with MG's, cause my idea to set up threnches so that barbed wire starts 2 yards out and is a yard wide

[tootall]

I'm going to ask the guys from the GWA on how they have things setup. In regards to barbed wire, we might want to use that fake barbed wire. I bought mine around Halloween, looks great!
Back to getting a more rounded idea on how, I will also talk to the guys in the GWHA out on the left coast.

[Oberst18]

alright

[CptJericho]

in the trenches it would be too close to use bolt actions so either you have to use a bayonet or pistol

[anzac1915]

I still believe that the best idea for trench fighting would be to use those Nerf swords from Wal-mart, because they're cheap and safe. JMHO

[Oberst18]

maybe they can be modded to look like bayonets or fighting knives

[anzac1915]

They should be able to. All it seems to be is a small PVC tube with Styrofoam molded onto it and colored blue. It would be easy to make them look like bayonets...

[tootall]

Come on guys! This would be silly. We are not the Society of Creative Anchorisum. If we modify them to look like bayonets with paint and shaping, maybe. Now we can look at them for use in trench raids, where they used clubs. This is one of the types of senerios it would be apporpreate.

[anzac1915]

I don't quite follow your post, so I am going to A) ask you to clarify and B) tell you that it would not be that difficult o find clubs that are made of a similar substance, it really is just an issue of painting and possibly shaping them to look correct. Unless you wanna go at one another with fake E-Tools like 'Paul' mentions in All Quiet on the Western Front. That might be difficult...

[tootall]

A - This is airsoft, the idea is shooting the guns and portarying the average conditions in the trenchs comes first.
B - The play fighting like what you describe is in addition to, later.
C - We have to start someplace and doing what was done during the time period the most is that place.
We are portarying history and using AS to do it.

[Oberst18]

calm down, i see both sides of your arguments, i think that, well i'm split here, give me a day and i'll think of something

[anzac1915]

I was reading Siegfried Sassoon's memoirs for a research paper (or maybe it was someone else), but anyway, there was a mention of the enemy machine guns shooting over the top of the trenches to keep the enemy heads down. If we have guns that are only shooting 280 fps, how do we manage to do this at the suggested distances?

[tootall]

How much airsoft do you play?
The MG's I make use the AGM M14 as the base or guts. They shoot about 325 to 360. Almost all of the bolt actions shoot around 380 to 400. Given that we will not have full size trenchs and distances in no-mansland these work just fine. So not to worry.

[anzac1915]

I believe it was in the "FPS Concern" topic in the radio shack section...ah, there it is,

Good idea! I like the sound of that. The MG's I make only shoot about 265 to 285.

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HMG's should be lower because of the engagement distance will be only a few feet

I know what an AGM M14 shoots, as I have one of my own. But, maybe you are referring to the machine guns that aren't to be used in close quarters, say a few feet, situations. I don't know, that's just the way I read it...